Implement Shielded Voting in DAO [DRAFT] This proposal is now in status: REJECTED. Voting Results: * Yes 27% 2,104,518 VP (28 votes) * No 65% 5,022,240 VP (25 votes) * Abstain 8% 666,320 VP (2 votes)

Just a reminder to the moderation team: Truth also have an ugly face ;) Feel free to redact, delete and silence people. Its your own choice. This way you're just showing us your price ;P

This can also go the "positive" way of voting too right? Where the community gets together and votes in private? I mentioned it like this to someone in private: *i guess i see it as like....good vs evil right? and i would hope regardless of which side you are on, you should always be voting on everything - even getting your friends to vote how you 'want' them to etc etc. so just hiding all voting would make everyone want to cast their votes even more. idk. maybe not.* It would be an interesting analysis to review the times the "community" stopped the "cartL" versus the "cartL" last minute voting. To me, it seems like the "cartL" votes last minute more often than the "community" saving a proposal? If that's the case, transparency hasn't helped. Again, not sure and would like to see the data.

Its just trying to hide their actions.

Shield voting isn’t supposed to replace quadratic voting or any other type of vp revamp. It’s a small part of the revamp. And you can always raise awareness for any proposal without seeing the votes. That’s part of the point with shield voting: enhance participation because you can’t see the outcome before you dismiss the proposal.

In case you can see the possible outcome you can always raise attention. It doesn't matter how much VP you have. As you know back in the days I used to reward voters with soul-bound nfts, and trust me it was very effective. Shielded voting sucks. If anyone here cares about the DAO and the VP abusers, better option is the "Quadratic Voting", which gives power to the regular users while they have less VP than the whales, they still have the power.

That is very true; however, can't they currently coordinate at the last minute and then change the vote? So, if they can do it with and without shielded voting, then this point is moot and invalid as an argument against shielded voting.

Bad grants will be anonymously coordinated and passed by bad actors, and won’t be revealed until after the vote ends.

Hi @maryana! Can you explain what a "more ethical voter" is and how that applies here? This shielding system will prevent ALL VOTERs from seeing the outcomes prior to the voting ending....so I'm a little unclear how this will only effect "unethical voters" ?

Back door deals will always happen - whether between friends or "bad actors"; this is not trying to fix that. If someone sees a vote totally in favor of something, will they be more or less inclined to cast their votes? Will they feel like their vote even matters? If someone cannot see the votes, will they be more or less inclined to cast their votes? Will they feel like their votes matter?

It seems like an intelligent strategy to me, I also don't think that anonymous voting directly threatens transparency. I also believe that this does not 100% prevent bad actors from agreeing on votes privately, but it does help make the votes more impartial and independent. If we want to avoid these private agreements that interfere with voting, the identity of the voter including her VP should be protected even after the voting is over.

We have transparent voting and whales vote at the last minute, changing many outcomes. Would they still vote last minute on things and change outcomes if they couldn’t see the vote totals prior to voting?

Unfortunately our DAO is not ready for this.. if there were more ethical voters, yes. Maybe one day

Basically this will go in favour of CartL and their allies, at this time they hold more than 12m VP combined. It is funny how @theankou is going against the delegees, probably he can't even understand they are the gatekeepers of DCL right now. Votes must be transparent, only this way the community will know their true enemies. Trust me - shielded solves nothing, only helps the bad actors! > People with delegated vp don’t sometimes don’t vote because they’re friends haven’t, or they wait until their friends do and vote the same. In case they are friends, they can always communicate ;)

Yea true. But we have to start fixing things. People with delegated vp don’t sometimes don’t vote because they’re friends haven’t, or they wait until their friends do and vote the same. IMO this current way of voting reduces the integrity of a delegate as they don’t have the conviction to read the proposal and vote on their own. With shielded voting, each person will have to rely on their own decision making to cast their vote.

This proposal sounds good, but in pair with delegation system, it kills DAO and transparency. Until delegation system will be reworked, nothing will help.

Back room deals will continue to happen no matter how the votes are displayed, so that is irrelevant to this potential voting update. Shielding votes before it ends is only a small improvement to our voting system. Nevertheless, small improvements over time will benefit our dao as a whole. This will hopefully prevent peer pressure in voting. This will also hopefully reduce some last minute voting since no one knows the total. This will also hopefully improve voter fatigue while at the same time hopefully “strengthen” the power of your votes. - if you can’t see who has voted which way, then you will hopefully cast your votes with more intention and purpose.

There has been a deliberate effort by some within the community to cast last-minute votes on bogus grants. This was not accident and is likely to continue despite attempts to protect the voting process. I prefer transparency and choose to block anyone attempting to harass me about my vote. Thanks, Jenn

You only criticize, but when it comes to taking action to solve problems, you disappear and propose no solutions or remain ignorant. This proposal doesn't completely resolve every DAO problem, but it can be a good start.

So the CartL can do even more backroom deals 😘 They know how much VP they have, and we won't be able to know how much people against it need to gather to prevent them from ruling the DAO.

No thanks. We need transparency ;)

**Everyone will be able to see who voted and their voting power, but they can't see which choice they voted for and current results, it will be decrypted only once proposal is closed!** In the screenshot below I created a test proposal in Snapshot to show how it will look like. 

Relevant articles: * https://snapshot.mirror.xyz/yGz91njKbw-sXsnAT6RkoMzPwvuddZritz37h1OWO8o * https://blog.shutter.network/shutter-brings-shielded-voting-to-snapshot/