InJesterr was planning to kill the game already. And he promised he would pay the rewards to the users once he get the money then ran with it once he got it. No, it's not possible for you to get your money from me or Gino. We won't pay that from our pocket (at least, I won't), and the DAO Committee is not allowed to do transactions that haven't been approved by a proposal and proposals others than grants asking for monetary transfers are currently not allowed.

Player Compensation for Duel Arena This proposal is now in status: REJECTED. Voting Results: * Yes 64% 1,155,064 VP (48 votes) * No 35% 635,086 VP (8 votes) * Abstain 1% 19,652 VP (2 votes)

they knew injestre would take the money for himself becuase obviously dual area have worked for a month and instead of getting 25k they got 1500 so they thought its their right to take it instead of giving to the players .right now its really simple here if you consider the first 1500 as the minimum salary for dual team work in the last month and also pay another 1400$ to the april winners, as @jar0d mention before in this situation that dao has created for dual team, triggerd injestre anger and unreasonable desicion .no one can deny if dao has paid the dual arena 3th month grant players would alrealy been paid . so its dao desicion and actions that deprived the players from getting their rewards . i ask from some of my friend and they say it possible that players get their rewards through core units member like @ginoct and @HPrivakos

I wasn't attacking. I am more upset with *my expectations* not being met by you. I felt entitled to a better answer than a quote from another member. **Yes I felt entitled because** the DAO pays you to handle these matters and I felt like your answer was poor and didn't take it seriously. Your original answer felt like a slap in the face, when I took **my unpaid time** to ask you a sincere question. So if anyone should be offended, it is me due to your unprofessionalism to your given answer. However if you believe my answer is an attack, then maybe this is the reason people are leaving. We are paying grants to the GSS to be professional and when an unpaid community member asks a question to someone who is being paid by the DAO through a grant, it would be nice if they took the time to write a better answer. If anything, you should be taking my response as a sign of respect that I expected a better response and opinion from you. I guess my expectations are too high. So in that case, you are probably right, I shouldn't have had such entitlement to expect a good answer from you. ___________ As for this response, I appreciate you pointing me in the correct direction. However, why was it possible in the past that other grants were completely revoked and then all of a sudden when they cry to you guys, they got it overturned to partial revocation?

There is no need to attack @Tudamoon thank you for mentioning the question that wasn't answered. Yeap. they could do it. In fact, if you read the GSS recommendation about this Grant, we mentioned [the topic of pay to the winners.](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/dao-834bbab-duel-arena-p2e-continuum-refinement-game-expansion-resubmission/21672/33?u=zino) However, the RC committee decided not to do it, and they have made the final decision, and we have to respect it. Last but not least, HP released funds to Injesterr to pay the prizes, but he didn't. Have a great day!

You didn't answer the question of whether or not revocations can do a partial revocation like you did with the others on several occasions. You allowed rulings to be overturned after the decision was made to revoke. What makes this different? This was part of the grant. If anyone from the grant support squad can answer this, it would be appreciated. If not, what are we actually paying you for? It almost seems like there's a middleman for no reason when we can simply make a new process that allows the DAO to vote on it. I think we deserve a professional opinion, especially with you being a lawyer.

Hi @Tudamoon I agree with @CheddarQueso . *"The DAO cannot step in to remedy a breach of agreement between a land owner/game producer/event host and their visitors."*

@Zino just a friendly ping. Can we get your thoughts?

[quote="Zino, post:20, topic:22663"] this case could be used as a requirement for the funds to pay prizes to be allocated in advance. [/quote] I don't think that would solve the issue, the problem was not InJesterr not having the funds as the DAO transfered what was needed to him, he just ran away with it.

@Zino Hey can you hear me out? There has to be some type of remedy for these guys. The DAO has "partially revoked" grants before and gave a final payment for work completed. These guys committed to playing countless hours in this game to help support a grantee. In December, Duel Arena was promoted by Decentraland. This seems like there is some credibility that was given to this project at that time. These people worked tediously on the game and they fall victim to not being paid out. They are innocent and have nothing to do with the grant itself, except the part of the grant that was to payout winners of the tournament. Is there anyway we can satisfy this allocated part of the grant, but instead send the awards to these people directly?? Out of all the money the DAO wasted, the one time to do right, we don't have a good remedy or means of justice for these people? I hope you can help find a way for them.

I mean I understand that his grant was revoked, but with the money "saved" by the DAO, can we at least make it right for those who are innocent participants of a grant funded game.

here you can see   does he really need this few mana what kind of person rug his community like this clearly he doesnt give damn about us  .  all of these are worthless so much time and effort wasted here the only thing can solace our lost and pain is our rewards

plz dont defend injester by justifying his action yeah both dao and injester are to blame here but since injestere colse dual arena discord and stop answering us and take our money despide the fact that he said he would pay us our reward at end and doesnt matter what the revocation decision is. becuase @Zino said him self that dao should pay the winners i have injester chat screenshot .but at the end he took the money for him self. i promise he would not do any law suit he is the fruad here not the victim. and yeah i aso now that @HPrivakos knew and wanted injetere to take the money to destroy him in dcl becuase they had bad boold between them in the past . but he doesnt have the courage to take revenge on injester with money from his own pocket but use our money and now he and you just telling us to give up and forget about our money . sorry i can not do that. all you say and trying to do is take my hope i dont allow you to do that . tudamoon is the one here is doing the right thing not you if you want to help vote on this and help us get our reward .iits obvious that we dont have access to injester all we can relay on is dao right now and above all things if we spend time in the dual arena it was only becuase we trust the dcl platform and personally when i join a project in dcl frist thing i do is to go and check their proposal grant and their road map .than i join them .in last christmas the whole dcl event was advertising dual arena and their grand was pass .so we join it . and now dual arena is close and injester also sold all of there remaining nft for less than 5 mana while he sold me the same nft for 75 mana .he wasted 4 months of our life in that game .we spend months on grinding their nfts and he turn them in to worthless nft in just one day .than you and dao expect this guy to give us our rewards .dao should a have the decency and pay us our reward from the remaining grant every conscience person knows this the right thing to do if dao refuse this they are even worse than injester

[quote="Zino, post:20, topic:22663"] requirement for the funds to pay prizes to be allocated in advance. [/quote] I don't really think that would have prevented this situation. Injester received the money from his grant to pay out these prizes. However, Injester indicates he plans on taking legal action against HP, or others, for slander/libel and claims to have received advice from a lawyer that he should not use those funds for their intended purpose. I do not believe any requirements for grantees would have prevented an upset grantee with one month of dev costs going unpaid by the dao do to a recovation to pay out these prizes, and it was naive of what ever parties were envolved with residing to leave Injester unpaid for his dev costs but sent him a fraction of that cost to pay out prizes to expect him to pay his players. If anything this should be used as precedent to have the DAO take responsibility for paying out earned prizes in similar situations in the future, since anyone out 10k in dev costs and facing a grant being revoked is unlikely to have a surplus of funds, so even a person with a high level of integrity may end up keeping those funds for themselves since $10,000 is a lot of money for 99% of the world's population. [quote="Gamer, post:19, topic:22663"] As you see we need a valid general path for these kind of issue now that we face this is the best time to act and create one [/quote] Unfortunately, the Grants program is mostly paused at this time. Injester's grant was one of the last ones forced through by @RobL before the freeze was implemented. Based on the categories that remain available and the community's lack of interest in unfreezing the rest of the grants program at this time, there does not appear to be an effective or timely solution to this problem. [quote="Gamer, post:19, topic:22663"] I am angry and sad [/quote] Your feelings are valid, and I'm sorry that you are forced to suffer because of Injester and RobL's actions and poor choices. It was rude of @Tudamoon to give you false hope that this grant would make you whole, as anyone who spends as much time writing props as he does should be familiar with the system as it currently exists.

Does anyone know if there is a fund that can be tapped for this? I know there's a travel expenses fund. Is there anyway another fund can be tapped? If not, can a 1 time special grant be passed through governance?

Hey Folks Even though this proposal passes the threshold, it can not be enacted because, despite its valid concept @Tudamoon ( :clap: :clap:), the way to get the funds is not. Why? / Basically, because the proposal doesn't fit the Core Unite requirements However, as @Canessa mentioned, this case could be used as a requirement for the funds to pay prizes to be allocated in advance.

even if there isnt a valid path right now . As you see we need a valid general path for these kind of issue now that we face this is the best time to act and create one .i am very new to dcl dao politics still i am deremined to find a solution here .becuase i can not watch and do nothing its eating me from inside seeing someone taking my money when is righfully mine its been two months, i dont have good sleep . I am angry and sad .

I have no issue with the dao making good on the failure of grantees. This just isn’t a valid path to do it

[quote="dao, post:1, topic:22663"] This grant will not be a recurring thing if game projects fail or get revoked. Therefore, it should NOT hold as a precedent. This is going to be taken as a lesson learned for everyone that in the future, the responsibility will forever be on the project and the player’s own willingness to take risk. [/quote] Yeah I wanted to make sure that you saw this. I did mention this. I think this is a good learning experience for all of us and since its the first time it happened, we need to do the right thing. However, any participants of any game or event or anything in Decentraland in the future, must now understand that 100% of the risk is entirely on them.

Thank you @Tudamoon for committing your time to helping users who have been wronged by Injester. I have full confidence that you will act with the upmost integrity, and will distribute the funds to where they are suppose to go. I am very disappointed that Injester stole the funds that were supposed to go towards his tournament winners, but at least now it is confirmed that Injester cannot be trusted. If the fact that a corrupt 4 million VP whale always voted for his proposals wasn't a red flag for you, now we have more examples. I just wish it did not cost this DAO over $100k to figure this out..... To the tournament winners that were wronged @paulyong531 @Gamer @Krek5521 @miladlasso . Please do your research on the people you are dealing with before supporting them. I know we all make mistakes, but at the same time there were many red flags pertaining to dual arena long before all this happened. Although I am voting yes for this proposal because its the first time this has ever happened since I've been here . I do agree with @CheddarQueso's comment, moving forward I don't think it is wise to use additional DAO funds to pay out a rugged projects empty promise.

You should buy a ticket and go to Lisbon to meet in person to discuss this. They have a Travel expense fund that can help!

hi i dont see any categories in dao for this situation actually we create this proposal becuase no one in dcl dao take responsibility all i hear is poeple say we are sorry . i can not spend soryy i need my reward . i skipp several months of my study and event my work for dual arena mothly leader board and tournament . just today i saw that injestere are selling all of dual arena nft for less tthan 5 mana all mythic nft that we put months of grinding selling for few mana i personally bought of their nft for 75 mana now he sell them for 5 .months of play are now worthless actually now on this game i also lost time and money .than dao expect this guy to pay us our reward most of dao knew what kind of person injester is they should give the rewards to the players .where i live my sallary is around 200$ if i can find a job i, so 1000$ is 5 months work for me .so i can not just forget about it as dao expect me to just give up , at least tudamoon is care and helping . i dont see you giving any solution here .if you want to help .support it and vote on it so we could get what is ours. dao proud it self that they save 50k$ of the grand .less than 3% of that grand is our rewards . they can pay it . in the real world most valubale asset are human resource not gold or money . here should be the same dcl players have value and dao should respect them give them their rewards

Hopefully they can distribute to those wallets.

The fees would come out of their payout. I shouldn't be punished for doing the right thing. So if I owe $75 to one of them for instance and it costs $5 to send, I am going to send them $70. Unless the DAO wants to give me those fees. I didn't know the cost to send to them because Ether fluctuates otherwise I would have included it.

I suggest we use this as precedent and write into ALL future grants that: "Any DAO funds being used as rewards MUST be budgeted in advance" Example: If you hold a contest in April, you must have already budgeted and accounted for these prizes in March. The money must be there before it is offered as some sort of incentive.